I think I read somewhere that McCready wasn't even supposed to be on duty the morning of the murders. Is that true? I saw the 48 hours grilling of him -
what a joke - he practically incriminates himself when he says he went to CA to get Steuerman. Also, since the AG was given a week to answer questions to
Marty's team (the pictures, about the grand jury, etc) will any of that info be shared on the website? Thanks.
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Posts: 103 (03/05/08 01:35 AM) |
McCready was not on duty the morning of the murders. He claims that he just happened to be in Belle Terre when the call came in.
I don't think that Marty's team will share information as they receive it. They have to process it and determine how to proceed. I don't think they can chance publicizing something not knowing exactly how it can impact their case, and that is something they might only know in hindsight. I think they'll be rather quiet for a while, even though I would prefer if they did not have to be. |
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Posts: 1031 (03/05/08 09:20 AM) |
Let us only play with the laws of probabilities:
What are the chances McCready was, and still is a drunk? How many drunks have you known to be up at 7:20 AM, all S.O.S, if they didn't have to be? How many 'construction' workers (McCready was going to a job) wear a suit and tie to bang nails? If McCready was going to price a job, how many jobs are priced at 7:30AM? where was he going? He just happened to be in Belle Terre when the call came in? Who happens to be in Belle Terre? Warkentheim didn't know it existed until he went there and couldn't find a beach outsde of the Tankleff house. How did McCready just happen to get the call? did he have a cell phone, a beeper (probably), or does SCPD have a Bat Signal to send up for the occasional homicide? Jay will tell you that homicide detectives and homicide investigations are of a special breed. It has a lot to do with ego. Your tread carefully on another detective's right to take on a homicide. That was the problem with Mark Fuhrman. McCready wasn't about to poach on another detective's case if he didn't have a good reason. It is as simple as looking at the rotation schedule, or past homicides to see who should have been called, and if they weren't, why not? |
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Posts: 13 (03/05/08 10:31 AM) |
ISOM brings up a good point abut the order of the detectives and who was assigned to a case. In one of the DA's own briefs in the footnotes section he
states that Det. Mike Carmody was supposed to be the lead detective but McCready became the lead because he showed up to the scene first. Then Carmody was
sent by Doyle with his partner to go to Mather hospital where Seymour was.
McCready states in his police report that Doyle paged him the morning of the murders. As far as what he was doing in Belle Terre perhaps he was at a sleepover at the Steuerman house (LOL!) What a coincidence that he happened to be there that morning. Has he ever said offically what he was doing And ISOM, he is still a drunk! Recovering alcoholics do not own bars in South Carolina or anywhere else. That's like a diabetic owning a candy store! |
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Posts: 531 (03/05/08 10:48 AM) |
I understand that McCready's explanation at the original trial for his amazing response time (19 minutes from when the homicide squad was first notified)
was that he just happened to be at his construction business office (location ?) when he was notified by Sgt. Doyle. He just happened to be fully dressed with
tie and jacket. He just happened to know how to get to the Tankleff residence in Belle Terre without any delay and before everyone else from the homicide
squad. Remember, this was the day before GPS. Hagstrom maps was the rule then and Belle Terre is way off the beaten path. Pretty fishy.. There is a lot of
questions I still have about how McCready got assigned as the lead detective in the Tankleff case (especially considering his close association with Steuerman
long before the homicides) and none of the explanations offered so far make any sense, at all. I think this is a job that the SIC should explore fully. I am
not quite so sure I trust the special prosecutor to ask the hard questions about this particular issue.
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THE PECKING ORDER | ||
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Posts: 1032 (03/05/08 11:02 AM) |
NO matter who went where or when, the lead detective is still the lead detective. Going to the hospital in the hope of getting any kind of statement from a
victim who was believed to be alive is what a lead detective would most probably do.
I believe that McCready may have lived in Miller Place at the time. Homicide HQ is in Yaphank, or about 20 miles S/E of Miller Place. McCready certainly wasn't on his way to the office when the beep came in - if it came in. Unless McCready was mistaken about the timeline of when he was notified and when he arrived at the scene - or 19 mins after he received the 'call'., he would most likely had been waiting for the call to come in, or made the call to Doyle and said he heard it on the radio or some such thing. Only on the record of what the police documented: BULLSH!T. Remember the tune we older folks used to sing as kids? : BULLSHIT MAKES THE FLOWERS GROW - and you place the person of the moment in and finish it out: McCREADY MAKES THEM OVERFLOW. McCready, etal, have their own Botonical Gardens and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon in their backyards. |
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bmorgan54 |
There are a lot of unanswered questions regarding McCready | ||
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Posts: 14 (03/05/08 11:16 AM) |
That is intersting Bob, that he had a seperate office for his construction business. So no one has any idea what he named it or where the office was? If it
was a legitamate buisness (but with McCready I doubt it), he would have to file tax returns for it and I would love to see those. He would also have to
account for where the money came from and who his clients were. Also, many times if you are having specific construction work done you have to file with the
town and get permits. I wonder where the records would be?
So between his construction business, and over $60,000 in overtime pay--in addition to his base salary, no wonder he could afford the Rolex watch Mr. Lubrano so admired. |
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Good observation BMorgan | ||
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Posts: 532 (03/05/08 12:00 PM) |
Lou Lubrano was not the only who has witnessed Steuerman and McCready together (obviously knowing each other) long before the homicides. I would not doubt
that other additional witnesses have come forward (all should and hopefully will). I do not know the legal aspects of McCready's construction business or
if it was conducted legally. It could be that Steuerman paid McCready cash and "off the books" and none of McCready's business earning were
declared to the IRS. It would be interesting to find out if that is the case. Most Suffolk cops back then (and many still do) "moonlight" in
addition to the pretty good pay they make as cops. Not all of it is declared income. This off duty business of McCready should be explored more fully by the
SIC. They may also want to look really closely at McCready's business relationship with Shari Rother at Digger O'Dells in Riverhead.
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I hope they have more witnesses | ||
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Posts: 15 (03/05/08 12:13 PM) |
I know there was also the nightclub manager, the woman at the bagel store as well. I know there were ramblings about others. I ask you many questions Bob
because you know Marty personally and know so much about this case. I read in McCready's police report that Marty said a woman named Julie witnessed an
altercation between Mr. Tankleff and Steuerman. Did this woman ever testify at trial?
Also, was the 1989 SIC report allowed at the trial? I come from a family of law enforcement (Pop, Uncles, Godfather) so I have pretty good knowledge of police procedure. When I read about the procedures in regards to note taking, following up on evidence etc, I though my head was going to explode! And the fact that some of these homicide cops were making more than the police comissioner is absurd! This is all so surreal. All it takes is one McCready to make all the honest cops look bad! |
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Posts: 1033 (03/05/08 12:45 PM) |
I believe Julie is the mother of the current owner Freddie M. I believe I saw her when I was there. If I am correct, and I am sure I am about the mother/son
relationship, then it was her son Freddie who told me when I asked him if Steuerman and McCready knew each other. He laughed, waved his hands at the cabinets (
I never looked) and said who do you think put the cabinets in for Jerry. Then he said it was a matter of great amusement to the community that McCready denied
knowing Jerry. Everybody knows it.
Mind you I didn't go to Strathmore to find things about the Tankleff murders. I went there on my son in law's case as the same Det.Sgt Doyle of Marty's case was behind the frame job of my son in law when he got Joe Careccia to say the son in law did an armed robbery of the store on 7/25/00, or when the son in law was in Spain. I don't remember if I knew for sure at the time he was in Spain. In any case I was visiting each location that Careccia said he robbed to do a proper and complete an investigation as I possibly could. I couldn't resist asking about Marty. Crazy thing is that when he told me what he told me, i.e., my son in law's case and marty, I think I lapsed into a state of a TIA. I was out of the house very early on another job I had to do out there in Ridge. Didn't take my BP meds. Suddenly began losing my ability to comprehend. I had to take a snooze and regroup. Went to the DOC, and I am still here - take plavix and a small dose of zoloft after a full cardiac and neuro exam. |
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Posts: 16 (03/05/08 02:38 PM) |
If everyone in the community knew about the McCready/Steuerman connection back then and didn't say anything shame on them! All it would've taken was
just a couple of people to testify and McCready's credibility would've been in the toilet and you would most likely have had a different verdict.
Everyone who knew about that relationship has blood on their hands. I will not feel sorry for these people when Martin's inevitable civil suit comes and
these same people who said nothing get slapped with higher taxers as a result.
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Posts: 533 (03/05/08 02:56 PM) |
If my memory serves me well, the SIC spent years compiling their report but I am not sure it if actually was officially published before Marty's arrest. I
have it on pretty good authority that McCready was told to retire by Sgt. Doyle just before the report was made public. Evidently, McCready retired to the
very day he was eligible which is unheard of for homicide detectives. Since McCready was part of the "creme de creme" of law enforcement, it does
not make sense he would leave the SCPD willingly.
BTW, it is yet another mere coincidence that it was Spota who fought tooth and nail to prevent the original SIC report which is available here from being published. He was the PBA attorney at the time. When he failed, Spota then publicly ridiculed and discredited retired Judge Stuart Namm as a "cop basher" simply because Namm dared expose the truth about how the police and prosecutors were operating in Suffolk County back then. As a state police investigator at the time, I got volumes of complaints about their methodology from local attorneys I knew. BTW, I was personally introduced to McCready at Digger's when the troopers had soical gatherings there. I can tell you that folks in Riverhead are still amazed McCready got away with everything he has been involved in. As a result of Spota's efforts to "tar and feather" him, Namm was politically railroaded out of Suffolk County. I think Judge Namm will get the last laugh, however. He has some really juicy stuff on his newly released video about Marty's case. For instance, McCready and Shari Rother make complete assholes of themselves in explaining their actions. It is all on tape for the special prosecutor and the SIC to review. Of course, there is also Spota's close relationship with both Steuerman and McCready that makes one scratch his head in disbelief. That is some tangled legal Bermuda Triangle. Spota, McCready and Steuerman make quite the triumvirate. |
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Shari On Judge Namn | ||
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Posts: 17 (03/05/08 03:59 PM) |
I haven't seen the video but I saw the trailer "Yes it was my money but he was my husband at the time and I had to do to save my marriage!"
So she just gave him a huge chunk of cash and never asked about how it was being spent, profits, repayment, etc? Sounds like a great marriage, no wonder it didn't last. What exactly did the husband do for a living back then? From what I read Seymour had to bankroll him in the gym business so was he the idiot son-in-law who couldn't hold a job? I would also love to know how the whole genesis of that Rother/McCready partnership as well and how it came apart. I read the interviews with the Rothers in the first "investigative" report the DA did. I love how Ron claims Marty couldn't have used the phone in the office because it was tangeled and the blood was limited to the exterior of the cord--so that means he was able to wander around a crime scene and contaminate it. Oh, and he claims Marty never slept with his door shut--please, a 17 year old boy sleeping with his door open? And I love the way they both claim that Marty and Seymour were over the day before the murders arguing over Marty going to Jr. college, Arlene's control over him, etc. It was as if they were reading from James McCready's police report. And I love how Shari claims her father told her he was going to change his will. But the absolute kicker is nothing in the timeline put out by trial or in any of the briefs supports that Seymour and Marty were over that day. They were giving false statements to the DA and did he ever call them on it? Of course not. I can't wait for the new SIC report! |
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Timing of the first SIC investigation/report | ||
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Posts: 7 (03/05/08 03:59 PM) |
The SIC held public hearings in Suffolk County in January of '87 and January of '88, eight months before Detective McCready took Marty's
"confession." The SIC issued its report, in which it found McCready had perjured himself in the '85 Diaz case, in April of '89, one month
after Marty's pre-trial hearings began. At trial, Judge Tisch ruled the SIC report inadmissable.
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momof2girlz |
Thanks | ||
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Posts: 14 (03/05/08 06:22 PM) |
As a newcomer, I really appreciate all the info shared on my questions. Even after reading most of the documents on the site, it seems that there is still SO
much more that many of you can share. Doctor News, I know he is supposed to keep quiet, but can you share anything on how Marty is doing?
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momof2girlz |
One more thing | ||
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Posts: 15 (03/05/08 06:25 PM) |
Also since I am new, I really don't know who anyone is on this site. I think I saw Doctor News at the press conference in NYC, but who is Bob Olsen? If
the info is too personal, I understand.
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WE HAD A GROUP PHOTO TAKEN | ||
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Posts: 1034 (03/05/08 07:25 PM) |
AT THE MEETING IN THE CHURCH THERE WAS A GROUP PHOTO TAKEN. CAN'T FIND IT ANYMORE.
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McCready/Judge Namm's video | ||
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Posts: 9 (03/05/08 08:44 PM) |
If you haven't seen Judge Namm's video I fully recommend it--there is a ton of stuff in there that he uncovered that didn't come up during the
trial and wasn't released to the public. The 911 call...the 911 operator yelled at Marty when he was trying to rush her to have the ambulance dispatached
to the house (she kept making him repeat his address over and over again but he spoke very clearly)--back in the 1980's couldn't 911 just send the
ambulance to the house without the caller stating his/her address?
Shari talking about her reaction to Marty's call to her after he found his parents... She thought he was acting strange? Strange?!! How was he supposed to act and what was he supposed to say? When he called her I don't even think Marty realized what was happening. Shari was smiling when she was asked about her husband opening the bar with McCready. When Shari talks about the money it's sickening--she felt entitled to it and turned on Marty from the beginning. The Tankleff house was a ranch style house with Marty's bedroom near his parent's bedroom at one end and the study at the other end of the house. The hallways had white or very light colored carpet. No blood was visible on the hallway carpet in the footage on the video. Does it make any sense for Marty to have killed his mother then gone outside and re-entered the house in his father's study and killed him so as to avoid tracking blood? No. Arlene struggled with her attackers so whoever killed her had to have had lots of blood on them and probably lost some of that rootless hair that was found underneath her fingernails. (Hmm, I wonder who would have rootless hair? Wouldn't someone who had a hair piece or hair weave have rootless hair? What a coincidink that JS had a weave--a weave that he had redone shortly afterwards when he ran away to Calfornia in such a rush that he even left his car running!) Even more preposterous would be the idea that Marty went to his father's study and attacked him then went outside and re-entered the house to kill his mother. It's overwhelmingly obvious someone on the inside of the house (JS) left the study door unlocked and the killers either took care of Seymour before they moved onto Arlene or one killer took care of Seymour while the other took care of Arlene. It's plausable McCready got the 911 call (having grown up in a small village much on the North Shore like Belle Terre I know the police were routinely notified when homeowners called for ambulances), but what is disturbing to me is that McCready was there before the ambulance. He never seems shaken up by any of this--wouldn't his initial reaction be that an intruder had broken into the house and might possibly still be in there? It just doesn't sit right that the first people to arrive at the Tankleff house were detectives not just regular police officers. If the murders weren't planned and McCready wasn't already "in the know" then why didn't McCready call for backup and pull Marty aside and scope out the house to make sure the killers weren't still in the house?!! |
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Posts: 78 (03/05/08 11:06 PM) |
I posted a link below to the police report. Trust me on this, I do not support or believe
anything that McCready has said or done. I'm just wondering where you got the info that McCready was at the scene before the ambulance? It's just not
true. McCready arrived about 7:39 A.M. The ambulance had already taken Mr. Tankleff to Mather Hospital around 6:43 A.M. One more thing, the first people to
arrive at the scene were not detectives, but patrolman on routine duty. They were there when McCready arrived.
I have no doubt about Marty being innocent, but do believe we must keep the facts straight concerning everything about this case. Thanks. http://www.courttv.com/news/tankleff/docs/report1.html |
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snakehandler 427 |
The judge Namm DVD | ||
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Posts: 16 (03/05/08 11:38 PM) |
I'd appreciate it if anyone would post who to contact to order the Namm DVD.
Many thanks. |
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Bob Olson |
I am merely a Marty supporter | ||
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Posts: 534 (03/06/08 09:37 AM) |
I am a retired New York State Police investigator and a retired PJ (pararescueman) from the famed "Perfect Storm" Air National Guard Air/Sea
Rescue Unit in eastern Long Island. I am also a former Marine. The only reason I say this is indicate that I am not some "bleeding heart liberal"
who thinks everyone in prison is innocent. Far from it. I put plenty of people in prison who belonged there. Marty is not one of them.
I have been getting congratulations from people with political ties in Suffolk County now that Marty has been released from prison. They seem to think (or
want to think) that justice has finaly been done. I am forced to remind them that Marty's nightmare is far from over. He is still under indictment and
could still be retried. Not because he is really guilty but as a form of coercion to force him to give up proving his innocence and the guilt of Joey
"Guns" Creedon, Peter "Surreal" Kent, and Jerry "The Bagel Guy" Steuerman.
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